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04 October 2012 @ 09:30 am
Debate Done  
I think the best summary of claims and counter-claims is http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious-denver-debate-declarations/ (FactCheck.org and PolitiFact.com kept me relatively sane during the entire thing, a rather stunning feat as ladyat will agree).

In my opinion, given the amounts of Exaggeratium being dumped on the public by both sides and purely on the debate itself (not by stand on the issues), Governor Romney came out looking much better than the President in this debate. The Governor stayed on message and had his statements so coherently organized that he seldom seemed to be going over time even when he was. President Obama on the other hand wandered off topic, missed opportunities to focus on HIS message, seemed disjointed, and came off trying to use extra time to bring his thoughts together at the end of every statement or response.

Ultimately, though, I can't be the only one in the US who wishes Jim Lehrer would have just walked on stage and dope-slapped the both of them for running roughshod over him and the rules that had been set forth at the beginning of the debate. I felt like it was a Monty Python sketch ("That wasn't 5 seconds just then!" "Oh, yes it was!" "Oh, no it wasn't!")
 
 
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FilkerDave: treasonfilkerdave on October 4th, 2012 01:52 pm (UTC)

There's a reason I didn't watch the debate (plus, I know that I'm voting against Romney already -- there's far, FAR too much that the national Republican party stands for that's anathema to my beliefs in how a just and moral society should be).

If there was a live fact-checking scroll across the bottom of the screen, it MIGHT have been worth it.
Robautographedcat on October 4th, 2012 03:24 pm (UTC)
I turned it off after half an hour and went to watching my Twitter feed instead. The way Jim Lehrer (a man I greatly admire) was so completely out of control of the proceedings was just painful.
harperjenharperjen on October 4th, 2012 05:29 pm (UTC)
I saw a tweet last night that recommended that any time one of the candidates lied, they get slimed, Nickelodeon-style. :) I also suggested we run these more like Dancing With the Stars: begin with ALL the candidates, not just the two from the biggest political parties. Give them each a chance to speak the first night, with no elimination. After that, the candidate with the fewest votes gets dropped from the air, down to two candidates. The results might surprise many. . .
Elizabeth McCoyarchangelbeth on October 4th, 2012 05:44 pm (UTC)
I think that was Wil Wheaton's suggestion, and I ENDORSE HIS POSITION! Wil Wheaton for SLIME-MASTER OF THE HOUSE!

I also subscribe to your Debate-off idea.
Mspiritdance on October 4th, 2012 07:01 pm (UTC)
I like the upstream comment about sliming outright lies.

My Twitter suggestion was getting Lehrer an airhorn, and letting him use it liberally anytime either party a) went over time or b) interrupted the other party or the moderator. Oh, or c) ignored the question asked entirely. I mean, come on, you're given a question that asks for a yes or no answer. Just answer yes or no, then go on to explain your position!
Alanpatoadam on October 4th, 2012 08:21 pm (UTC)
Good for you for checking the facts. Paul Krugman singles out one lie in particular: see Romney's Sick Joke and A Test of the System.

Jim: Moogerfilker 1poltr1 on October 5th, 2012 08:20 am (UTC)
Another website to add to your Political Survival Kit: The Capitol Steps (http://www.capsteps.com/). I think you've already heard of them, so there's no need to explain. Granted, it wouldn't have helped during the debate. But afterward -- hell yeah!

And there's also Project VoteSmart (http://www.vote-smart.org/), which has voting records and (if the candidates filled it out) the result of a survey they give to each of the candidates.

BTW, I like the slime idea. I still prefer the shock collars, though.
gwynnydgwynnyd on October 5th, 2012 02:50 pm (UTC)
I feel about the debate the same way I feel about the election.

I am disappointed in some of the things Obama has done, but I am still voting for him over Romney because Obama is still clearly the better candidate. At least when Obama says something, I do not have to automatically assume that his position will change in the next 24 hours as I have to do for Romney.
loriruadhloriruadh on October 5th, 2012 04:00 pm (UTC)
Romney Broke the Debate Rules
One of which was NO NOTES.

Watch the video when Romney comes on stage and casually slips a piece of paper out of his pocket then places it on the podium. Catch the smirk at the moderator? He glances down at it several times during the proceedings too.

He can be seen trying to put it away at the end of the debate, then he hands it off to one of his drones.

Once a cheater, always a cheater, and a bully as well.